| Author | Message |
|---|---|
 Vulturboy |
Date sent: 2015/06/30 04:53:35
I'm sick of acting as staff and doing a better job at it than most players that are actually staff members. I've tried to be patient and ask players nicely to stop with caps or swearing or whatever shit they are doing, but it's gone on too long. When I tell them they usually say "You aren't staff so shut up". Well I've had it. When there are no staff online, I try to keep the peace. BlueRoon has specifically told me to keep the peace when there aren't staff online. And when something comes up and I try to handle it, they normally just keep going. They insult me and tease me for it. These little bitches need to learn some respect, cause I can guarantee if I actually was staff, they would give me respect. They need to respect everyone, regardless. There are multiple staff members that don't do their job or are flat out inactive. I can name several players off the top of my head who would make better staff than these fools who actually are staff but don't do shit. This server is "family friendly" and the staff team needs to be able to make sure the server lives up to that (which it doesn't). There are multiple players that deserve harsh punishment for their actions that haven't been punished yet. I want to help this server grow and be a safe, fun place. But I can't do that unless staff do something or I become staff. I'm obviously not going to get staff so I'm doing the only thing that I can do. If something doesn't change, I'm leaving. I've had it with these idiots who do nothing yet get to call themselves a "staff member". I've had it with these bitches that insult me for trying to help the server. I'm done. |
 Romaq |
Date sent: 2015/06/30 13:25:13
I'm not clear where BlueRoon has a say in telling anyone anything. As I understand it, he lost his staff position for "Wizard Abuse", using his creative mode power to bring things into the game and giving them to another player in violation of the rules. On one server (Redwall MUCK) I enjoyed, that tends to get the staff person banned from the server forever, which tends to have staff consider carefully how they go about violating the server rules.But, as you said, you are not staff, so it is *not* your problem. Do help, do encourage, but my most recent interaction with "not-staff" had them TP'ing to my location while I was focused on a project to "check up on me" uninvited. I complained LOUDLY about it, then ended up getting myself booted by someone... not even sure if it was the same person, I didn't care to remember their names. Luigi resolved it and made it so people can no longer "jump" me without an invite. "... if I was actually staff, they would give me respect." I wouldn't, I don't. I give respect as it is due. I don't give tin-plated little godlings respect. If you want me to respect you, that takes place as we interact and I find you *worthy* of respect. The thing with staff in most places is... you work really hard sucking up to the server owner, you get special privileges so you can flaunt the perks and no longer have to worry about doing the job for which you were given the perks. It's like at work where people want to claim knowing how to do every work position so they can get the money, and then they force the crappy jobs on the "little people" so they don't have to do the work. THAT, to me, is "staff" on most places, and why when someone goes around waving their "badge", I generally tell them to screw off and tell someone who cares. If someone doesn't want that attitude from me, what they need to do is show me they are doing the job behind the badge. THAT is what earns my respect. I do notice JamesSkullBlood busting his butt dropping whatever he is doing and helping people out. That earns my respect because of the job I see him doing. The "badge" doesn't mean anything to me. I don't happen to know you, I don't recall any interaction with you. My suggestion would be to enjoy those things that have you happy, ignore most of what you see over chat and let some "tin-plated godling wannabe" deal with "correcting" everyone else's behavior, and report in the forum if someone is bad towards *you*. It will be a great deal less stress, and you may enjoy the game a great deal more. I don't "help" the server. I "help" *me*. If the server benefits from that, that's cool. |
 tylermerg |
Date sent: 2015/06/30 15:57:49
 ill take that donator spot now |
Vulturboy |
Date sent: 2015/06/30 19:25:48
Tyler, you are banned and won't be unbanned.What I'm trying to say is most of the staff don't do their jobs and there are several players (including myself) who are doing their jobs for them because we feel that something should be done when someone is doing something wrong. I personally don't want a lawless server where James is trying to keep everything in line (I think that is where the server is heading). And my problem isn't with everyone, it's just the majority of people who I ask nicely to "watch the caps" or "keep it appropriate" who decide to have zero respect for me. |
tylermerg |
Date sent: 2015/06/30 20:05:02
no u think ur a staff but ur just some punk ass winy bitch who thinks there better than the rest  |
Vulturboy |
Date sent: 2015/06/30 21:24:30
I don't think I'm better than anyone else. I don't "think I'm staff". I'm not staff but it's ridiculous that they aren't doing shit and still get their rank. |
Romaq |
Date sent: 2015/07/01 02:46:22
Well, as a "just a player", your job isn't to do the staff's job. Your job is to enjoy your game. If someone is interfering with your enjoyment of the game, you have the privilege (but *NOT* the job) of posting on the complaint forum. Asking nicely once is enough. You have no power to enforce the rules, and you have no responsibility to enforce the rules, therefor it is *not* your problem, and you have no business making it your problem.I do understand, and I agree people not following posted rules are annoying as hell. I am happy to report that in my case, when I posted in the /complaint forum, I got a response, and now people can no longer jump to my location except when I allow. Your primary job with the server is "have fun". The job of staff is to serve *YOU* in having fun. They may be failing at their jobs, but it is not your privilege or responsibility to assume their job. It is, however, your privilege to report people who violate the rules in the /complaint forum. This gives Luigi opportunity to dig back through the logs, verify the problem, deal with it, then decide how to approach staff. Do please keep in mind I don't think anyone "staff" is paid at all. I don't know the Commonwealth laws or which laws apply, or what constitutes "local" law that applies to the server. But unless Luigi is paying people to monitor the server, he can't "make" them be there, and it would be foolish to suggest he try. That is simply the nature of pretty much all online volunteer communities. It sucks, but it is what it is pretty much anywhere you go. Now if someone with a "staff" badge is online, obviously active and not "AFK", and not doing anything about it to avoid "dissing" a friend, THEN that is something Luigi can see when he goes through the logs, and *THAT* is actionable, as in "why the hell did I give you a badge to enforce my policy if you are not going to bother doing it?" But that would be a Luigi call, and there may be circumstances Luigi won't discuss with you. You never know... "I didn't shut down the person using caps because I was trying to talk this OTHER person out of suicide, and in my judgement that was higher on the list of things for me to worry about." You would never know, as you would not have access to the logs, and something like that would not be your privilege to know about. But I've been on the other side of the screen, and "stuff happens". As far as the "caps" rule... I don't understand why it is in the rules. I recognize it is, but if someone types in all caps, they are either having keyboard trouble (BEEN THERE!), was in a hurry to type and accidentally hit it (BEEN THERE TOO!), was ignorant of how rude it appears (HEY, I WAS A NEWB ONCE!) or they are just plain stupid and don't care how it looks (HEY, NOW YOU ARE JUST BEING MEAN!). I might ask nicely once, but if someone insists on looking like an idiot, most likely that is because they are idiots and not worth my time. I have other things to worry about, and over... (counts on fingers and toes...) Lesse, I started online stuff in 1990 back in the age of dinosaurs and 300 baud telephone modems, so I have 25 years of practice at deciding to ignore the text of people not worth my time unless I want to have a bit of fun mocking them. And if I don't, I don't. But you may have seen me mocking people over chat. People won't care if you yell at them to stop, but if you MOCK them and get other people to laugh, well THAT ISN'T FAIR!!! Same with the "No Excessive Vulgar Language". I'm not clear how that rule is supposed to make any sense at all. When *I* swear like a sailor and use vulgar language every other word, well *I* am not being excessive, as that's just the normal way I talk at home in front of my mother. But when *YOU* drop an occasional F-Bomb... *YOU* are being excessive, and I'll tattle on you for being naughty! The word "excessive" puts the burden of judgement upon the person doing the swearing, and that's a bad plan in my opinion. My suggestion is to emphasize, "This server will be kept a family friendly environment. Think 'PG-13' or 'PEGI 16'. Refer to http://www.pegi.info/ if you have questions. Staff is trained to enforce this rule, and they are the judge of what is appropriate. God have pity on you if I have to make that judgement call, because I have no pity." Now *THAT* is enforceable, it offers a standard people can understand and measure, and it puts the burden of judgement upon staff, and that if Luigi has to get involved, *HIS* judgement will be stricter than *THEIRS*, so it would be wise to *NOT* have Luigi involved. I think that would be a far better way to handle that particular rule. Since that isn't how that rule is handled, I'd avoid vulgar language because I don't normally talk that way, and to me it often appears quite foolish. But I'm used to people acting foolish, and I've 25 years of experience ignoring them. I hope that helps. I'd rather you spent your time having fun. If you catch me online, perhaps you might enjoy my company working on something together if I have a moment to spare. Some days it is good to simply ignore group chat and let the rest of the world go to hell, I'm having fun. I hope you are having fun also. |
