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Chip_Bruh
Date sent: 2016/12/14 15:18:05
Right, first off, whats the actual point in it?
Like, why can only people in the Build-Team build things for the server? why can't just some random citizen come along and go "Hey, mayteee :D i wanna build a new spleef!"?

No point
IMO the Build-Team is just a flop, and it ruins the fun for players that want to contribute to the server builds, but aren't "Good enough" for the Build-Team.
What is that bullshit Tryout thing anyways?
What specific terms do you have to meet in order to get into the Build-Team? Because from what i have seen, it's based purely on if the judge likes your build. Which to be honest, is bullshit, because what the judge may like, someone else or the entire community might dislike. you see what i'm getting at here, ehh??

Constant prefix changing
Oh that's another thing! The Build-Team isn't even a rank! it's a Prefix, which means it is a HUGE pain in the ass for us staff to constantly be typing out "/manuaddv <name> prefix &3[Build-Team] &3" for EVERY DAMN PLAYER. Oh, and i'm often asked to remove the prefix AFTER A DAY of some of the members, because they weren't good enough or got in trouble with staff.
Be more careful with who you make Build-Team???

Constant whining for permissions
Myself and other staff/Admins are CONSTANTLY begged/asked for when they're getting Creative mode, or World Edit, some even have the cheek to say that they are more likely to be staff because they're on Build-Team. Build-Team have NOTHING to do with staff, you're only Build-Team because some other player said you can build pretty good.

Dangerous
Oh this is another point, any random default could join, make something good looking, and get into the Build-Team. What does this mean? well, if Build-Team got what they wanted, and had World Edit or Creative, THEN WE WOULD LITERALLY BE GIVING DEFAULTS MORE POWER THAN THE STAFF MEMBERS!!!
like omfg, are you for real? "But it takes longer without creative and world edit" YOU'RE THE DAMN BUILD-TEAM!!! so BUILD the damn thing instead of CHEATING!!!

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If we gave Build-Team to everyone that Aouldrain (or whoever actually runs this thing now) accepted, then we'd literally have players running around with powerful commands and permissions - without an authority figure saying its okay.

if we decided one day to say "Lets give all of Build-Team /fly", we'd literally have to go through all of Build-Team members and type "/manuaddp <name> essentials.fly" and to be honest, thats more of a pain in the ass than it sounds. there isn't even a public list of all the members.
Oh and if someone quits it or is kicked out, that's more unnecessary work for staff to do.

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Also Build-Team seems like a thing people want just so that they can get more permissions...
Honestly, stop being power hungry and asking for more permissions every day. that's what annoys me the most.

- i think it's bullshit that some Build-Team members have creative, but Donators don't -
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JamesSkullBlood
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Date sent: 2016/12/14 15:23:55
This was what I was trying to tell Aouldrain when he was saying he thinks only staff and build-team should get creative.
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Harvey
Date sent: 2016/12/14 17:52:19
CHIP YOU HAVE GROWN A EXTRA BRAINCELL AND ARE REALLY SMART AND THIS IS ALL RIGHT AND IF SOMEONE SAYS NO THEN THEY SHOULD BE BANNED

JUST KIDS WANTING CREATIVE AND POWER
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Chip_Bruh
Date sent: 2016/12/14 18:09:38
Always thought it, but not been bothered enough to actually say it so openly.
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thomasjones
Date sent: 2016/12/14 18:24:28
As I've said before

Date sent: 2016/12/03 02:44:02
Agreed the build team hasn't achieved anything, We might as well get rid of it.
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Vulturboy
Date sent: 2016/12/14 19:23:19
Just gonna point out that the build team doesn't accept just anyone, they have to show loyalty to the server beforehand, as well as good judgement. We had to get rid of a member earlier due to their attitude, so we did. Aouldrain has made some questionable choices, but they won't happen again as we have me and Proatus also deciding on who joins. Those first few players were because of an error in judgement, and it won't happen again. The build team has plans, but we don't have the materials to put those into effect yet, as most of the great builds on the server previously were made entirely in creative (including spawns, arenas, shops, etc.). I don't see why you call it "whining" as I have only asked if we will get world edit out of curiosity, not spamming you and begging for it.

I will talk to the rest of the build team about these things and make sure they don't happen again. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
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DreemurrTheDreamer
Date sent: 2016/12/14 21:11:57
the build-team is just a bunch of wannabe staff fanboys.
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Aouldrain
Date sent: 2016/12/14 21:20:03
Doesn't this belong in complaints?
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Aouldrain
Date sent: 2016/12/14 21:32:32
Also, I'm sorry that we might upset you, I really am, but my goal is to make this server look as beautiful as possible, but it's really hard with just right click. I know you might not trust us, and I know that you're annoying. You can call us staff wannabe's or kids just wanting creative and power, but as far as I know, I picked some of the best builders I could find to make this server beautiful.

Please give us a chance. ^_^
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Techy
Date sent: 2016/12/14 22:46:57
I agree with Chip.
The purpose of Minecraft multiplayer is to build together and have fun. If only a group of people are called the 'build-team' then that kind of defeats the point. In fact, on most servers the Build-Team are just a group of staff that build spawns and official areas.

Generally I see no point in including a specific group of people with a prefix to say that they're 'the best builders'.
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DreemurrTheDreamer
Date sent: 2016/12/14 22:47:16
but we don't need a special group of people to build things. if you want something built, do it yourself. if you don't have the ability to build it, ask a friend. we don't need people with a special prefix just because they can build things.
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Vulturboy
Date sent: 2016/12/14 23:20:13
I think you're missing the point. We're here to build a spawn. Got it?
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DreemurrTheDreamer
Date sent: 2016/12/14 23:35:19
but we don't need a whole new prefix and group of people to do it.
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Echyyy
Date sent: 2016/12/15 01:21:49
+1 completely agree.
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Beetley
Date sent: 2016/12/15 01:39:09
I agree completely, Chip.

Why should only the best builders be able to work on community projects?
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loki570023
Date sent: 2016/12/15 02:27:53
If all that is true I suppose I agree. The only way Id 100% let this happen is of monkeypawned came back and took up its leadership and management.
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DreemurrTheDreamer
Date sent: 2016/12/15 02:40:44
when i'm unbanned, i'm gonna build a shit ton of spleefs just to be a dick.
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Gilgamesh8
Date sent: 2016/12/15 06:27:46
I'll tell you why build team interests me.

Vanity.

I'll be honest, I would like to be recognized for my skill. I don't care about extra perms or any of that, and while I'd happily help on large public works, I'm kinda busy building my own stuff right now. It comes down to being recognized in my case.

For that reason I don't think I'm really cut out for it :) But to all those who have a bigger vision, feel free to invite me to help if you need more hands.
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belgnbor
Date sent: 2016/12/15 06:49:11
I agree with chip, they should not get any extra special perks, its unfair to those that have paid for ranks like vip and donator to have less than those who have not. If they want to build something the server really needs, get a plan together and maybe a special grant of items can be left at the location of the build to use, or ask other members for help collecting items. It would also ruin the fragile economy and WILL be abused by some members. Everyone seems to want big builds built in a day and super easy with world edit. Thats NOT what I would call a true build team. To me it should be built over time from scratch, otherwise its not really your own hard work. And if u want fly to build things PAY for it like others have.

As for a new spawn as I have mentioned before, a big spawn would ruin the place. Spawn is a meeting place, a town. Spawn is a busy place not some big monument where no one really visits. There IS enough room at the current spawn to fancy it up a bit if people feels it needs to. If its a true build team they should be able to come up with some ideas no matter how big or small the space is.
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Emily98
Date sent: 2016/12/15 11:13:22
What's wrong with our current spawn? It's small, ugly, and has player builds right next to it.
What should our new spawn look like? Small, pretty, and Safezone a few blocks out. Well that sounds like a project for 2-3 people, not 8 or however many you are now.
What other projects should the build team be working on? None, really.

I don't have anything against having a build team, but it's too big and it should only server one purpose, not fly around building stuff in the survival world.
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Vulturboy
Date sent: 2016/12/15 13:56:28
Emily does have a point
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DreemurrTheDreamer
Date sent: 2016/12/15 16:33:47
the spawn building is literally a 5x5 wooden block
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Matodir
Date sent: 2016/12/15 17:11:05
You do mention some awesome points chip, but I think you're saying this so less people have power, so like that the baby staff members won't cry cause they're the only ones with power.
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Emily98
Date sent: 2016/12/15 17:42:05
Look at my comment and tell me what you think the Build team's purpose should be and how big it should be. I'm interested in hearing people's thoughts on this :)
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Chip_Bruh
Date sent: 2016/12/15 19:20:33
I don't even know how many people are in the Build-Team now... I lost track.
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Aouldrain
Date sent: 2016/12/15 20:33:58
Chip, you're very right about some things too, so I'm going to adjust the build team. This is the last time, I promise.

I sent you who will be off the build team. I'm sorry, but I won't be annoying anymore.
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armzngunz
Date sent: 2016/12/15 20:36:31
I don't really midn the build team, as long as they don't bother me. I haven't really paid attention to it.
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Vulturboy
Date sent: 2016/12/15 22:37:46
Chip, if you'd like to have a civil discussion with me about this, I'd love to talk with you about it.
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_GraniteCrusher_
Date sent: 2016/12/17 02:26:37
I would not be impressed by a build-team with creative.

I'm impressed by people w/o creative that can get shit built.

I'm tooting my own horn here, but I built the first enderman xp farm in the current world w/o creative. It took a long time. It was tough. But, man o man was it worth it.

Anyone can build w/creative. Take the time to plan something out, gather the resources and THEN build something great. That's impressive.
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Proatus
Date sent: 2016/12/23 04:13:00
I agree with Granite to some degree about the Build Team getting creative. Yes, building in creative is exponentially easier than building in survival, and therefore not as impressive. However, the point remains that without some way of moving to and fro without building towers everywhere projects would take longer to complete. I've read Chip's complaint about adding permissions to BT members for even as little as /fly, and I want to point out that /fly helps move things along. The team (at least Aouldrain, Vulturboy, and I) won't 'beg' for creative any more, but the least we ask, if it's not too far of a stretch, is to not be labeled as 'cheating defaults' lusting for power.

P.S.: We acknowledge the fact that we've made virtually no progress on Mushroom to earn any merits. One reason (not an excuse) is that we don't feel anyone really wants the Build Team to make anything for the public, seeing as people in this thread alone have expressed they see no reason for its existence. So, if anyone actually wants the Build-Team, I can make a poll in General for whether or not the Build Team should dissolve. If we dissolve, then other people should step forward to provide the public venues the Build Team was meant to make, since that was a point Beetley made. If we do not, then we'll devote more time to making things for everyone the old-fashioned way - in survival.
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Lumberjack1541
Date sent: 2016/12/23 20:47:56
@belgnbor Real talk here. I'd +1 that all day any time.
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Guiness4
Date sent: 2017/05/11 20:24:54
Even the big dog himself is against the idea, so don't think it will be making a return for the second time.
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Asriel🍆
Date sent: 2017/05/12 08:33:25
i don't think a build team should have any special permission or duties other than normal players of their usual rank. just a prefix to reward them or something.
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Aouldrain
Date sent: 2017/05/12 20:05:27
Exactly asriel, that's what should happen.
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Michael9999995
Date sent: 2017/05/13 16:49:36

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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