| Author | Message |
|---|---|
 Tye |
Date sent: 2017/10/18 20:31:20
So here is my version of my opinion on Ck. While Ck has actually been a good staff member, back when he was a Mod, shit has changed since he got Admin. He's been muting people, banning people outrageously, and just being inactive. Mainly on the inactive part, I don't mean he hasn't been on; no, he's been on. He is AFK for hours. Every. Single. Day. The only times I see him active is for one minute right when he joins, and when he abruptly leaves one hour later. Sometimes he announces he's going to work out, gives someone Citizen, but doesn't focus on chat whatsoever. No offense Ck, but just stay active in chat, and remember that your choices do affect your reputation in Mushroom Co. |
 Presinus |
Date sent: 2017/10/18 20:54:54
I see what you mean with the AFK hours, but I see many staff do that.As for the "outrageous banning," you think ever ban ever was too harsh. You're just too entitled and privileged to understand the concept of "consequences." And the muting... Well that's part of the job, so I don't see what the problem is. |
Presinus |
Date sent: 2017/10/18 21:02:15
For the first time in a few months, a complaint on Ck.Ck has a total of 6 complaints in history, 2 of which were last month. |
Tye |
Date sent: 2017/10/18 21:26:45
He's muted Ellie because he didn't want to hear her talk, banned Sak because his fac members changed the fac name multiple times, recently banned Wones for him talking about pr1tce, muted me for saying "Webbcraft is a pretty cool server, you'll like it here :P" and whole other things for dumb reason. About the last month thing, I didn't know. I kinda took a glance at the first two forum pages and didn't see much from last month or the month before. Pr1tce made one in August though, so yeah. I'll edit out that section to better fit the thread. |
 OfficalMinoi |
Date sent: 2017/10/18 21:33:36
+1https://gyazo.com/1281268037129f915c6b3b2fd400f457 https://gyazo.com/dfd0e4a9a26aba50787b345b1f940aa8 |
 Lexi |
Date sent: 2017/10/18 21:57:07
+1 ; He's incredibly biased. |
 steve_the_block |
Date sent: 2017/10/18 22:00:17
+1 I love you CK, but I agree with Lex on this one. |
 Miss_Awesome_2 |
Date sent: 2017/10/18 22:33:59
+1 @ what lexi said |
 slushi |
Date sent: 2017/10/18 22:45:38
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 bellemaire |
Date sent: 2017/10/18 22:54:20
+1 ofc |
 alpacafarm |
Date sent: 2017/10/18 23:34:46
zed and ck are afk half of the time im on .-. |
 ckvoss |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 00:24:56
this is a joke right |
ckvoss |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 00:40:28
It's funny how i get complaints as petty as this. The only people who have given a +1 are all a part of Wones and Co, all within 2 hours... coincidence?My only 2 complaints as a staff member were not credible, both of the creators have told me sorry and that they were wrong. Both of them are friends of mine at the moment. He's muted Ellie because he didn't want to hear her talk I was getting at least 4 different people messaging me to stop arguing. So i said "Okay, i'm done ellie. stop arguing" and she kept going and going, so i muted her to stop the argument because when she kept going i still kept getting messages to stop her. banned Sak because his fac members changed the fac name multiple times I have logs of Sak changing the faction description after i warned him not to. recently banned Wones for him talking about pr1tce Pr1tce sent me his entire log, Wones was harassing him in msg and making fun of him. He deserved the tempban and James gave me the go ahead for the tempban. Yes, pr1tce abused his /kick, and he lost his /kick. muted me for saying "Webbcraft is a pretty cool server, you'll like it here :P" lmfao you're kidding me... you and the default said his ip IN PUBLIC CHAT and just being inactive. Mainly on the inactive part, I don't mean he hasn't been on; no, he's been on. He is AFK for hours. Every. Single. Day. The only times I see him active is for one minute right when he joins, and when he abruptly leaves one hour later I am rarely ACTUALLY afk, just because it says im afk doesn't mean i am. Plenty of times i have been shown as afk when i'm really just messaging a person about a serious problem, or checking the forums, or checking skype, or working on my youtube channel. I rarely actually am afk without leaving. Maybe sometimes to eat dinner or like you said work out. No offense Ck, but just stay active in chat, and remember that your choices do affect your reputation in Mushroom Co. I am very active in chat, I am a little less though.. Want to know why? Ellie yelled at me every time i would talk in chat, whether it was a couple people arguing and i was trying to stop the argument or just a public thing where everyone is saying their opinion. I have a very good reputation. I used to be a very annoying person that nobody really liked. I left the server and came back a person that most people like and enjoy talking to. To clear it up for everyone, it is correct I do not help wones. If someone disrespects me as much as he does, they won't get help either. A while ago (there were a ton of staff on) wones said his chest was raided and he thinks they used a hopper. He says he needs a staff member to help him. So, I am the first person to try to help him. When i tp to him, he says "No ck, i need an admin. you're a dick" so, he lets Nic (who is a mod) help him. Annoyed, i went to luigi and james and luigi told me to not help you. I said to you that very day "I will no longer help someone as disrespectful and inconsiderate as you" So, then, i wasn't going to help Wones. he's gotten worse every single day. Really think I should still help an arrogant, self-centered, disrespectful person like him? |
 Aouldrain |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 00:43:16
-1This complaint is fucking retarded. |
Lexi |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 00:45:56
"Really think I should still help an arrogant, self-centered, disrespectful person like him?" Like I said, biased af. "I have a very good reputation." In the words of CK, this is a joke right? |
OfficalMinoi |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 00:50:02
How about to solve this conflict, we both just put the past behind us and start acting civil to eachother. |
ckvoss |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 01:01:14
Lexi how is treating wones how he deserves to be treated biased?wones you are still treating me with constant disrespect so why should i respect you? |
OfficalMinoi |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 01:03:28
Well for the sake of everyone else, we both need to just start acting civil to eachother from here on forth! |
Lexi |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 01:04:13
Ck, check Mark 12:31 then come back to me.bi·as ˈbīəs/Submit verb past tense: biased; past participle: biased 1. cause to feel or show inclination or prejudice for or against someone or something. "readers said the paper was biased toward the conservatives" synonyms: prejudice, influence, color, sway, weight, predispose; More antonyms: impartial |
ckvoss |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 01:08:43
If you start acting civil, then i won't have any reason to defend myself. And not just to me, to everyone. |
Miss_Awesome_2 |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 01:13:00
Ck, do you live in America? |
ckvoss |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 02:09:59
So you're saying i should treat Wones as an equal person when he treats everyone like trash and thinks that he's better than everyone else? |
alpacafarm |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 02:17:01
PUSSY PUSSY PUSSY MARIJUANA I WANNA SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY AND IM GONNA EAT THAT PUSSY PERIOD COMMA PAUSE BUT HOLD THE APPLAUSE |
OfficalMinoi |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 03:04:19
...Ck I'm trying to make a resolution with you so we can make things better |
Presinus |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 03:20:33
He wants your action, not your word. He will treat you nice when he stops seeing things like:Minoi: I want to build a house. Minoi: Anyone have terracotta? Presinus: I have a crap-ton of terracotta if you want it. Minoi: I wouldn't accept a gift from someone like you. Presinus: You immature brat, just take the damn terracotta. Minoi: You're calling ME immature LOL Minoi: It's no wonder I hate you, Presinus. Or Minoi: How's everyone's day today? Presinus: Good, how about you? Minoi: I wasn't asking you, Presinus. Presinus: Seriously?! Grow up kid! Minoi: And you wonder why I hate you so much. |
ckvoss |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 12:12:09
^ |
 Karbs |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 12:14:07
+1 sorry ck, you might good at whatever you do on the server, but I think being a staff is not your position. You do not show full effort in your work and do not handle situations in an orderly manner. Always having to show some sort of emotion, or "I had a bad day today", or "I'm really stressed". If you are experiencing these things, then don't inflict your emotions on the rest of the players. If you are not feeling stressed that day that does not give you an excuse to mute people for having opposing ideas as you. If you learned to not let your emotions seep into your staff work, and handle everything with a non-biased attitude, this thread would probably never exist. Though you choose to say that you are "bullied" here, proving that you are emotionally weak and are not fit for the staff position. Also, not helping Wones just because he is mean or disrespects you is the most childish thing I have ever heard from a staff member. If you cannot grow up and just play the bigger role here, realising that you are on a minecraft server, not everyone is going to like or respect, but that does not mean you should deny them right from help. Again, another example of you bringing your emotions into staffing, which should be unacceptable if its harming other players. If ck does get demoted, I hope he gets demoted to mod first, to open his eyes and allow him to change his ways. But if he keeps being biased, letting his emotions play with his work, and just act like a child, I would demote him back to a regular player. Ck, please stop ignoring your flaws and just trying to put blame on everyone else. |
 armzngunz |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 14:01:11
-1I haven't seen Ck do anything bad recently. Also, Staff are not required to help people who treat them badly. This is not a fully paid job, every staff does this for free. Of course, being staff means you have responsibilites, but the players themselves are also responsible for what they do. Staff are also in their full right to mute people who do not intend to stop an argument. |
 Chip_Bruh |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 17:32:53
-1 |
Aouldrain |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 19:57:19
Ck is one of the better staff. Fucken hell guys.-1 again |
ckvoss |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 20:43:20
Always having to show some sort of emotion, or "I had a bad day today", or "I'm really stressed". If you are experiencing these things, then don't inflict your emotions on the rest of the players. If you are not feeling stressed that day that does not give you an excuse to mute people for having opposing ideas as you. If you learned to not let your emotions seep into your staff work, and handle everything with a non-biased attitude, this thread would probably never exist.You are pretty sad, when i say "i'm stressed" or "im having a bad day" that doesn't mean taunt me and mess with me even more than usual like Wones and Co. does. Though you choose to say that you are "bullied" here, proving that you are emotionally weak and are not fit for the staff position. bul·ly1 ˈbo͝olē/Submit noun 1. a person who uses strength or power to harm or intimidate Wones bullies me. Plain and simple. He got his friends to call me names, put me down, and more. He also does this himself. And now that he is unbanned (like he never should have been) he created Wones and Co and not everyone in it treats me like he treats me. It's funny how on the 3 complaints about me i pretty much destroy and you guys are using it as an example of why i should be demoted... Pretty sad. |
Tye |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 20:47:13
See, I started this thread to mainly address Ck's many AFK hours on the server, and it turned into an argument. Also, since when was voting implemented on this?Ever since this thread was made, Ck's been more active. Plain and simple, problem solved, you guys can end it. :P |
OfficalMinoi |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 21:33:58
The only thing ive done to ck after i was unbanned was critcized his staffingso im genunily curious as to how im bullying you ck, please give me examples that occured atfer i was unbanned since im apparently still SO toxic |
ckvoss |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 23:18:49
Tye a couple hours of not being afk doesn't mean i've "been more active" like i said...I am rarely ACTUALLY afk, just because it says im afk doesn't mean i am. Plenty of times i have been shown as afk when i'm really just messaging a person about a serious problem, or checking the forums, or checking skype, or working on my youtube channel. I rarely actually am afk without leaving. Maybe sometimes to eat dinner or like you said work out. Wones I'm curious how you think you don't bully me... You are always putting me and others down. Always have, since the first day I met you. No reason to reply, I'm not asking you if you bully me and other, I'm telling you. |
Miss_Awesome_2 |
Date sent: 2017/10/19 23:29:57
give one example of how wones bullied you after he got unbanned |
Karbs |
Date sent: 2017/10/20 00:00:11
To respond to you ck, first of all, how are we supposed to know when you are having a bad day. What I am saying is that you come on the server with a stressed attitude and become easily aggravated at small things, bringing a negative tone towards an arising situation. If you are feeling these sort of feelings, then do not come on the server at all so the rest of us do not suffer at your expense. It is not fair to the people in general not even the people you call "Wones and Co" (which is kind of biased because the main people supporting you on this thread are your fanboys, so I guess you could call them "Ck and Co") if they want just some banter and you are getting stressed out and inflicting your anger on everyone else. Secondly, I find it funny that you think Wones bullies you. By the term bully that you listed, the person has more power than you, and uses that against you to put you down. You are basically saying that Wones is stronger than you, furthering how you are a weak staff member. You cannot even deal with another player on the server, giving the player more power than the actual authority. What does that say for the server? How does that make the staff look? By saying that Wones bullies you are giving yourself a reason why you should not be staff. So to wrap it up, you are a bi-polar, biased, self-projecting, weak staff member that is playing the victim card and is ruining the face of the server for new players. Go fuck yourself and your shitty pvp channel. I like how you say you "destroy" us in the heat of this debate. Maybe wait till you get demoted to add your final comments ;). |
Karbs |
Date sent: 2017/10/20 00:00:11
To respond to you ck, first of all, how are we supposed to know when you are having a bad day. What I am saying is that you come on the server with a stressed attitude and become easily aggravated at small things, bringing a negative tone towards an arising situation. If you are feeling these sort of feelings, then do not come on the server at all so the rest of us do not suffer at your expense. It is not fair to the people in general not even the people you call "Wones and Co" (which is kind of biased because the main people supporting you on this thread are your fanboys, so I guess you could call them "Ck and Co") if they want just some banter and you are getting stressed out and inflicting your anger on everyone else. Secondly, I find it funny that you think Wones bullies you. By the term bully that you listed, the person has more power than you, and uses that against you to put you down. You are basically saying that Wones is stronger than you, furthering how you are a weak staff member. You cannot even deal with another player on the server, giving the player more power than the actual authority. What does that say for the server? How does that make the staff look? By saying that Wones bullies you are giving yourself a reason why you should not be staff. So to wrap it up, you are a bi-polar, biased, self-projecting, weak staff member that is playing the victim card and is ruining the face of the server for new players. Go fuck yourself and your shitty pvp channel. I like how you say you "destroy" us in the heat of this debate. Maybe wait till you get demoted to add your final comments ;). I had to retype all of this because my internet went out :( |
ckvoss |
Date sent: 2017/10/20 01:37:53
To respond to you ck, first of all, how are we supposed to know when you are having a bad day. What I am saying is that you come on the server with a stressed attitude and become easily aggravated at small things, bringing a negative tone towards an arising situation.Every time you guys start to mess with me when i'm stressed, i say "can you guys just leave me alone? i'm stressed today" or something to that extent, when you guys continue, it's your fault if i get ticked at you guys, not mine. It is not fair to the people in general not even the people you call "Wones and Co" (which is kind of biased because the main people supporting you on this thread are your fanboys, so I guess you could call them "Ck and Co") It's more like the only people who support this complaint are the people in wones and co... everyone else isn't replied or knows that this complaint is obviously bs. By the term bully that you listed, the person has more power than you, and uses that against you to put you down. You are basically saying that Wones is stronger than you, furthering how you are a weak staff member. Nah it's his ego, he thinks so much better of himself than everyone else so it takes it out by bullying me (putting me down and making me feel bad) So to wrap it up, you are a bi-polar, biased, self-projecting, weak staff member that is playing the victim card and is ruining the face of the server for new players. I'm not bipolar, the only people who think i'm biased are wones and co., self-projecting as in defending myself from this petty complaint?, weak staff member as in being the bigger man and trying to stay away from Wones as he bullies me while he is the smaller man who has to make others feel bad for his emotional benefit. ME RUINING THE FACE OF THE SERVER FOR NEW PLAYERS? HOW ABOUT WHEN WONES AND CO MAKES FUN OF PEOPLE FOR NO REASON AND MAKES DEFAULTS NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE WHEN I TRY TO MAKE THEM FEEL AS WELCOME AS POSSIBLE. Go fuck yourself and your shitty pvp channel.  Lmao brings a youtube channel into a complaint, sad. I like how you say you "destroy" us in the heat of this debate. Maybe wait till you get demoted to add your final comments ;). Ok well i guess i'll never get to add my final comments, since i'm not going to get demoted lol. I think you should just stop trying... it's not even close to actually getting me even thought about demoted. |
Lexi |
Date sent: 2017/10/20 03:12:39
Specify "Wones and Co." for the people chillin' in the back please and @ all of them. |
OfficalMinoi |
Date sent: 2017/10/20 03:16:10
I love how ck says i bully him yet he's been spewing insults at me nonstop throughout this post. He can't even control himself with all the insults he is saying to me when ive barely said anything on this post. It's so fucking hypocritical. I just tried to make a compromise with him and he refused. Clearly he doesn't want a solution, he just wants to have power over people. |
OfficalMinoi |
Date sent: 2017/10/20 03:17:05
Can someone count all the insults ck has said to me in this post? I really don't have the time to. |
OfficalMinoi |
Date sent: 2017/10/20 03:22:22
Apparently people who take my side are "wones and co" just ignore him |
Presinus |
Date sent: 2017/10/20 11:50:03
So Ck is acting as a sponge. He quickly soaked up Minoi's negativity, and will slowly release it until he has ran out. This means Minoi will have to have one-sided respect for Ck for a while until Ck can finally trust Minoi once again. |
Tye |
Date sent: 2017/10/20 14:33:28
@ckvoss: Ck, no offense, but let me clear this the FUCK out. On my first day at Mushroom, I never spoke for the first THREE days. The first thing I said in the public chat, on the fourth day on this server was: "whats your guys favorite game?"With this in mind, I didn't even care about anything in the server, accept for making my own first house in a village. I joined Buklau, associated with no staff, became friends with Steve and making my own little place in Buklau. The first time I've had an encounter with staff, was with redeeming my first vote token. |
 Shindori |
Date sent: 2017/10/20 16:17:22
The only thing I see in this thread is an immature admin only damaging his own reputation. "He disrespects me so I won't respect him back", for real man get over yourself. You're the person with authority here, instead of acting childish like this you could show you're the better person but nope, you're just as bad as Wones in this case by continuing . Please do not pull out any other excuses out of your arse like "Oh no I'm in a stressed mood", just don't fucking go on mush then if you're only going to get more stressed :/ |
ckvoss |
Date sent: 2017/10/20 21:00:32
Exactly PresinusTye how does that have to do with anything. Shin i go on mush to have fun and play with friends, not be constantly messed with. I'M ACTING CHILDISH? You're kidding right? I thought you were better than to think something that strange. My reputation is damaging because the same few people criticize me and get shut down every time because they make bs complaints to get me demoted? Yes, I am the person with authority, but when I use that authority, the same people over and over freak out and say i'm abusing and should be demoted... To answer Lexi's question: Wones, Lexi, Alpaca, Eva, Giulia, Karbs, Sak, sometimes steve, sometimes tye. |
ckvoss |
Date sent: 2017/10/20 21:02:10
Me calling you arrogant, self-centered, disrespectful isn't insults, it's the truth. The truth that pretty much everyone sees except Wones and co. |
Shindori |
Date sent: 2017/10/20 22:25:07
You all are acting like kids from kindergarten and yes that includes you. Don't try to act as if you're any better than the people you refer to as "Wones and co." because you simply aren't. Until you can see that I don't have anything else to discuss really. |
Karbs |
Date sent: 2017/10/20 22:39:11
All of this is getting hard to keep track of. What about we settle this like regular people and actually talk to each other over discord or skype? This method we are using right now is like email, someone writes something, you take time to see it, then write your response, etc.... and just a slow process. If we really want to settle our differences we should setup a time to talk as civilized people. |
alpacafarm |
Date sent: 2017/10/20 23:30:02
w t f im not even toxic |
 CaptainSpaceSheep |
Date sent: 2017/10/20 23:38:41
-1. I completely agree with ck baout how all the people who +1ed are wones’ friends. To be honest with you, wones is arrogant, self centered and holds alot of grudges. I think it’s pretty funny how everyone used to hate him so now he is making friends with people so they will help him get ck demoted. Ya know, i am good friends with al and steve but come on guys ur acting like supreme hypebeasts but for wones instead |
ckvoss |
Date sent: 2017/10/20 23:42:22
I don't think you understand the argument Shindori.Wones has hated me for over a year, and he convinced everyone in his group to hate me also. It's literally just me defending myself from these guys... Pretty easy to do tbh their points are bad. |
CaptainSpaceSheep |
Date sent: 2017/10/20 23:46:48
I will admit the way ck has replied to this hasn’t taken many other things into account.- Staff will only be demoted when the bad factors outweigh the good. Ck is one of the most active and helpful staff, and although he may or may not treat people unfairly the amount of things he does for the server is obviously not outweighed by 2 or 3 people he dislikes. - Adding onto the last point, ck does alot for the server that you don’t see. As someone who has known ck for maybe 3 or 4 years now and been staff with him for 1 or 2, I can say on a personal level that Ck does alot more than it looks like. I’d personally like to watch Wones or Tye try to cope without his hypebeast nation as a staff member. - To me it seems like this complaint is more on ck as a player than as a staff member, which as two completely different things. It’s kind of like me making a complaint on Presinus because he went afk for 30 minutes. I really hope you guys sort ur drama out, because these blind complaints full of lies are getting annoying. |
 Michael9999995 |
Date sent: 2017/10/21 04:31:53
Ck, I have a tremendous amount lf respect for you from your avalor days. And I'm not saying that you should be demoted at all. I just think that you need to get rid of your grudge with minoi. It makes you look biased. No offence, but it really does :/ |
armzngunz |
Date sent: 2017/10/21 07:07:09
Wow, karbs, I'm disappointed.Maybe I should just ban Wones to deal with this? After all "You cannot even deal with another player on the server" So I'll just do it then. |
 CCShad Moderator |
Date sent: 2017/10/21 07:54:32
Congratulations on making the 7777th forum topic! That's a pretty lucky number. |
Shindori |
Date sent: 2017/10/21 08:23:50
I do get the arguement here but I'm only speaking about you because you're the admin here and should know better. Typing all those long useless paragraphs here is just adding fuel to the fire, it isn't getting you anywhere and doesn't really give a nice image of the server when new people see this. Neither is referring to people as "Wones and co." or telling people you are destroying them in a debate.If he's really bullying you like you said he does why is he even allowed to come back on here? I've seen people who have been permbanned for less :/ |
Karbs |
Date sent: 2017/10/21 11:53:43
Armz, how did you connote that I wanted to ban Wones when I stated "You cannot even deal with another player on the server". This makes me rather dissapointed in you if you're only method in solving problems is muting or banning. My argument was that ck was stating to be bullied, yet he is supposed to be a staff member and show dominance. Aren't those contradicting each other? He has little control over players and plays the victim when he is "bullied" by Wones. Armz, also going what you said earlier that you do not have to serve players that do not respect you since it is not a paid job is the most half-ass excuse I have ever heard. You have volunteered your time and effort for this position, and just because you aren't getting paid doesn't mean you shouldn't care at all. Do you not see the problems of isolating a player just because you do not like him. First of all that's being biased, second what does that say about you as a person, and third this would cause division in the community and is a partial reason why this thread and these complaints are even hear in the first place. If people thought before they acted, and didn't hold their pride above everyone else, stuff like this would not be happening. That's why that is the shittiest rule ever, evoking almost always conflict. The point of this server is to have a nice survival community and a good environment for the players. If you act childish and say "HE DISRESPECTED ME!!!!!!!" and do not help them, first you are making a fool of yourself but mainly you are not embodying and representing the community that the server strives to be. Instead of not helping them, why not keep a monotone/neutral attitude towards them and eventually fix relations with that individual. You are falling on the same level of low as the player calling you names if you choose not to help him, as now you're just as childish as he and should grow up. |
Karbs |
Date sent: 2017/10/21 12:10:58
This is funny. "I completely agree with ck baout how all the people who +1ed are wones’ friends." Next line, "As someone who has known ck for maybe 3 or 4 years now" Can we not all establish that many people who +1ed like Wones. Many people who -1ed like Ck. A lot of -1 are staff, and his friends. This is called an opinion. Some people have it. Some people don't. Stop using the phrase "all the people who +1ed are his fanboys!!1!!1!". You could say the same for both. Stop acting like it's some game changing argument. |
CaptainSpaceSheep |
Date sent: 2017/10/21 12:40:16
Karbs, Me and ck actually used to hate each other. |
ckvoss |
Date sent: 2017/10/21 13:30:52
^Shin, my paragraphs on this complaint are literally just me explaining the flaws in their complaints (all of them) Can we not all establish that many people who +1ed like Wones. Many people who -1ed like Ck. A lot of -1 are staff, and his friends. This is called an opinion. Some people have it. Some people don't. Stop using the phrase "all the people who +1ed are his fanboys!!1!!1!". You could say the same for both. Stop acting like it's some game changing argument. So when wones and all of his friends say the exact same thing at the exact same time to cause spam... They knew they were all breaking the rules, but they instead listened to wones and broke the rules |
armzngunz |
Date sent: 2017/10/21 14:54:34
Karbs, bannign is the only method if he has already been muted, kicked, warned or banned before. It is the last option, and he has had plenty of last chances.Again, it's not about if the staff member dislikes the player, you're twisting the words here. It's about if said player disrespects the staff and treats them badly, acts toxic and breaks rules. If a player wants help, they should be nice. |
Karbs |
Date sent: 2017/10/21 15:08:43
Well obviously you have failed at containing the player and helping him become a better person if you had to resort to banning. This also directly relates to your stupid rule in which you will not help a player if they are toxic or disrespectful towards you. You assume you have to ban them even though you never wanted to help them change? In school if a person is misbehaving towards the teacher will she just not teach them until they are nice. No, they will try to fix the kid and not bash him down saying how bad he is and he deserves to be kicked out of school. I think the same should be done for Wones in this case. Don't just say "oh he's toxic" I won't help then after you justify his ban with, he was warned and what not. If you never offered them some sort of help and did not try to improve relations you would not be banning them in the first place. |
ckvoss |
Date sent: 2017/10/21 15:15:50
No, they will try to fix the kid and not bash him down saying how bad he is and he deserves to be kicked out of school.And if the kid constantly breaks the rules he will get punished.. Like wones. If you never offered them some sort of help and did not try to improve relations you would not be banning them in the first place. You're kidding right? Every time you get proven wrong you make a statement more stupid than the last. Wones has said he will stop being toxic and harassing people so many times. He has not once stopped. He has never changed for the good and never will. Well obviously you have failed at containing the player and helping him become a better person It's not our job to make toxic players a better person. It's our job to make the server a better place, if that means banning someone who is making it a bad place, then so be it. |
armzngunz |
Date sent: 2017/10/21 15:17:13
Staff are supposed to enforce the rules, not "help people out", that's their parents job and later psychiatrists.Where I live, bullies are often expelled from that particular school, which imo is a very good thing. The people who are his friends are in a much better position than the staff to make them change. |
 Beetlejuice71 |
Date sent: 2017/10/21 21:32:04
"Staff are supposed to enforce the rules, not "help people out""That's the worst attitude I've ever heard. The job of a staff member is (and should always be) to ensure every player is happy, and enjoying their time on whatever server it is. +1. -.- I didn't want to respond to this thread |
CaptainSpaceSheep |
Date sent: 2017/10/21 23:54:37
I actually agree with beetle, that is an awful attitude.Although my vote still stands, -1 |
ckvoss |
Date sent: 2017/10/22 01:51:13
Beetle, Wones is the person who makes everyone else unhappy... He and his friends have made several new people leave the server. |
Beetlejuice71 |
Date sent: 2017/10/22 02:42:42
This complaint is not about Wones and his friends, if you want to discuss them, make your own complaint. This complaint is about your attitude towards players. As a staff member, you're expected to help to provide players wih an enjoyable playing experience. Whether it's Pixelpeeps13, myself, Wones, or Saraku, if one of us needs help, it's your job to help us. |
ckvoss |
Date sent: 2017/10/22 12:20:44
Not true at all. We don't have to help people who treat us like Wones does. That would be ridiculous.Okay beetle, how about you get treated like dirt for an entire year then while hes still treating you like dirt you HAVE to help him...Yeah, no. |
Michael9999995 |
Date sent: 2017/10/22 12:27:15
Ck just ignore the guy. Then if he needs help with rollback or something, help him. Afterwards go back to ignoring him.And yeah I also agree with beet. |
armzngunz |
Date sent: 2017/10/22 15:48:11
The job of a staff member is not to help people with their personal problems or somehow make a person change their personality.Do you not realise what you're asking for here? If a person has anger problems, or any other problems regarding their mental state, they go to a psychiatrist, not the staff, we don't have the education to even do that stuff. Karbs literally suggested that it is the staffs duty to act like psychiatrists and change how Wones acts. I never said we shouldn't help people with normal things on the server, I said that it is not the staffs job to change someones personality. And why do you expect that a staff member should rollback for someone who treats them like a piece of turd? |
Karbs |
Date sent: 2017/10/22 17:10:19
Armz, I think you misunderstood what I said. I do not expect you to actually go and have a one and one therapy Wones. All I am saying is if you are less quick to judge on situations and try to be nicer to the player, his offence rates might decrease. That's what they do in Norway, in the Bastoy prison. They provide their prisoners with fun, engaging, and interactive environments for them to develop better back into society. This attitude of helping the prisoner and not bashing them down based on their previous crimes, some serious murders, has made Norway have one of the lowest incarceration rates of any of other country, only 75 people per 100,000 people. If you look at that compared to the US its 716 per 100,000 people, or maybe Australia which is 208 per 100,000 people. This system proves to work, so why not apply the same principles here. Players would probably think more highly of the staff and enjoy their time more, and overall it would make our server a better place if we applied the Norwegian prison morals in our community. I would expect you would already be carrying out these actions since you are from these parts of the world Armz, Scandinavia is what you told me (which contains Norway). I'll even link you an article I found about Scandinavian prisons. So if you follow in the way of the Norwegians, and treat offenders like regular players and make sure they're having a good time, they will probably not be so bad. If you keep the mentality of rivalry, that "he was mean and committed crimes against the server," so you will not help him, the situation will never get better and you'll either keep arguing with him and not enjoy your time on the server or ban the player and have his friends nag you. Here is the article: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/why-scandinavian-prisons-are-superior/279949/ |
ckvoss |
Date sent: 2017/10/22 22:56:54
it's disappointing how many people actually think i should help him after all he has done to me and the rest of the server. |
armzngunz |
Date sent: 2017/10/23 17:32:02
Karbs, I live in Norway, so I am perfectly aware of how the norwegian prison system works. I have tried many times to be nice to toxic people, many toxic people in the past were my friends, but when I had to start punishing them for their actions, they got angry. It just doesn't work. |
CaptainSpaceSheep |
Date sent: 2017/10/25 10:57:40
You know what else is disappointing? What minoi thinks of his hypebeast clanApparently anyone who -1s this is “sucking up to ck” and needs to “suck on ck’s chode” where as anyone who +1s are “genuine people” |
 thomasjones |
Date sent: 2017/10/26 16:45:12
I dont get this "I dont have to help someone if they not nice to me"there were a few people who ticked me off when I was staff but I dont think I ever refused to help someone who ticked me off. I feel that this is one of the reasons why I was widely thought to be an exellent staff member as I didn't show bias. |
Presinus |
Date sent: 2017/10/26 20:55:51
I dont get this "I dont have to help someone if they not nice to me"there were a few people who ticked me off when I was staff but I dont think I ever refused to help someone who ticked me off. I feel that this is one of the reasons why I was widely thought to be an exellent staff member as I didn't show bias. As if. You got ticked off over Ross buying mod, so you refused to help anyone who took his side in the argument. Then you organized a server boycott, discouraged new players from staying, and conspired to grief spawn. Of all of the staff team, YOU had the biggest bias. |
thomasjones |
Date sent: 2017/10/26 21:39:47
err Presinus I wasnt staff then. I resigned from staff a few months before all that. I jumped on once after a couple months not being staff (I didn't play) and saw that staff was understaffed so i had a chat with Chip and we came to the agreement that I would fill in the gap until another player was promoted.So for a few weeks I staffed (I didnt actually play). As soon as Ross was promoted I step down as the agreement had been fullfilled. Couple of other things 1. Boycott wasnt my idea and people had already started organising it. I just took over to protect another player. 2. I didnt do anything or organised anything to prevent new players from staying. 3. The " conspired to grief spawn" was a joke that Luigi took seriously. 4."so you refused to help anyone who took his side in the argument.". I think Ive already shown thats utter bullshit. 5. Didnt you join after that whole thing? |
Presinus |
Date sent: 2017/10/27 02:25:11
1. Weren't you the one to make the forum post about the boycott?2. As soon as players joined, you told them the server wasn't worth their time, or something along those lines. 4. How so is it bullshit? I witnessed you refusing to help players sharing Ross' side. 5. Eh, no. I joined long before that happened. I was witness to the event. |
thomasjones |
Date sent: 2017/10/27 09:26:20
1. Correct 2. Nope 4. I wasn't staff so how did I refuse to help people 5. Oh right |
thomasjones |
Date sent: 2017/10/27 09:26:21
Dupe |
 Matodir |
Date sent: 2017/10/27 14:32:34
I don't get why you people keep trying to bash ckvoss just cause you have a little kid's grudge against him. Grow a pair won't you, constantly crying for some wrong things ck does when you do exactly what you're claiming he does but ten times worse.In my country, we call people like you guys who started this complaint pussies, you do the wrong shit yourself but then cover your asses behind an admin by creating a series of complaints on him to make him look bad. In my school, people who do things like this end up in hospital for being cunts to the rest. Fuck off won't you. Tye, you mention a lot of one time events such as ck muting ellie or ck banning sak. First tell me ck's for doing this, not just yours. Frankly, your reasons are pretty weak. Also, just some advice from someone who's very good at arguing, if you're going to make a complaint about someone, make some fucking planning, basis, proof, a back up plan, and actual neutral people to support you. Your complaint is nothing but a petty paragraph, and those who supported you are just your friends or suck ups who you probably asked to support you. When I made a complaint about something in webbcraft, I saw how many people support me, not just 3 friends, I saw that even some staff supported me, I made proof and a back up argument, and was ready to deal with what was coming, without having to just pointlessly blabber after every good reply against you. Good luck next time. |
Matodir |
Date sent: 2017/10/27 14:39:22
Also, no, ck is not a slave and is entitled to help the assholes that treat him like shit out.And kids, please, if you're going to try to be toxic by creating a complaint on an admin and try getting him demoted, you have to try harder. Even back when I was one of the most toxic people on webbcraft, I still liked ck and armz, cause they were actually good. You guys are just plain stupid. Add me on skype if you want some tips on how to actually make a decent complaint xd. |
Karbs |
Date sent: 2017/10/27 17:06:02
So you think you're some lawyer just because you have a couple of posts on a fucking minecraft website. You seem pretty entitled on how good you are at debating yet you cannot even use correct grammar consistently throughout your paragraphs. Your argument here is worse than tye's as he provided actual evidence for his case, while all you can do is call him "petty", say he is a pussy, and that you are a god at arguing, which proves here to not be the case. Maybe you should try harder when you are trying to make a counter argument as you're just another little kid to the aid of ck. |
Aouldrain |
Date sent: 2017/10/27 21:38:52
I don't think Karbs understands how arguments work. You can't just mock somebody about arguing on a "fucking minecraft website" when you're ON THE MINECRAFT WEBSITE. Jesus Christ man. |
ckvoss |
Date sent: 2017/10/27 23:20:59
I dont get this "I dont have to help someone if they not nice to me"there were a few people who ticked me off when I was staff but I dont think I ever refused to help someone who ticked me off. I feel that this is one of the reasons why I was widely thought to be an exellent staff member as I didn't show bias. It's not "I dont have to help someone if they not nice to me", it's "I'm not going to help someone who treats me like garbage and asks me to ignore how he treats me and help him" He doesn't deserve help from anyone let alone me. It's not being biased, it's justice. Maybe you should try harder when you are trying to make a counter argument as you're just another little kid to the aid of ck I think it's the other way around... Few actually are putting up arguments for the aid of Wones, all getting shut down pretty fast by everyone else. Please, just stop commenting on this... you guys aren't gaining any ground. |
thomasjones |
Date sent: 2017/10/28 08:22:01
Oh Ck my paragraph was in general not just aimed at you. |
thomasjones |
Date sent: 2017/10/28 08:22:02
Dupe |
thomasjones |
Date sent: 2017/10/28 08:22:03
Dupe |
Matodir |
Date sent: 2017/10/28 09:16:37
Karbs, trying to find flaws in my grammar, if there even is, and twisting why I called him a pussy just to drop my argument. Lmao. I will listen to ck and let you, tye and the rest of the herd fiddle around alone. |
Karbs |
Date sent: 2017/10/29 09:34:55
Ck, I think people just stopped trying because of how idiotic you and your fanboys responses were to everything I said. After I had given a detailed, fully explained paragraph supported with links and actual evidence, trying to spar a real debate, all you can respond with is "it's disappointing how many people actually think i should help him after all he has done to me and the rest of the server." Matt, "trying to find flaws in my grammar, if there even are"*, rather than "trying to find flaws in my grammar, if there even is" |
Presinus |
Date sent: 2017/10/29 14:53:25
Karbs, those paragraphs are like landfills; no matter how big or small, they are full of garbage. Detailed garbage is still just as useless. Large piles of garbage is no better than small piles of garbage. Whoever is right in the argument is up to the viewer's bias. Nobody is free of bias. Ck isn't getting demoted or changing his ways. Please drop it at that. |
Matodir |
Date sent: 2017/10/29 21:56:12
^. Wow Pres, couldn't find the words myself, thanks. Since you're against ck you will never agree with him Karbs, but you're not even remotely close to having enough information to hurt ck. |
 pr1tce |
Date sent: 2017/10/30 00:32:55
im sorry ck, but i agree with the top few comments, you get to be a bit of a dick sometimes +1 |
 creeperninja69 |
Date sent: 2017/10/30 13:47:21
I'm honestly with CK, he does his job as a staff member. he handles situations just as the next staff member would. Karbs say you were working as a busboy at a restaurant, you have an extremely rude customer who is rude to you every single time they come to the restaurant. After so long of that abuse wouldn't you go to your boss and complain about them and ask your boss if you can refuse to serve him? That's what 99% of people would do. same kind of concept here. You need to get your head on straight and actually think. If you were in ck's situation, getting bullied every single time you and Wones were online wouldn't you try to ignore him or refuse to help him? |
creeperninja69 |
Date sent: 2017/10/30 13:48:56
To me I see strength in CK that he has helped Wones this long and just recently started to refuse to help him |
Tye |
Date sent: 2017/10/30 20:01:23
i found a funny meme to liven up the mood: get it, cuz mr. krabs wants to sell expensive things while living cheap. HEHE GREEDY AF |
OfficalMinoi |
Date sent: 2017/10/31 00:45:51
if i had a dollar for everytime i was mentioned in this post, id be donald trump |
Aouldrain |
Date sent: 2017/10/31 00:54:43
You'd have 63 dollars my friend. |
ckvoss |
Date sent: 2017/10/31 02:28:49
Pr1 top few comments... which ones specifically, maybe pick one that hasn't been shut down and proven wrong... oh wait, you would have none then.100th comment on another sad post, yay. |
alpacafarm |
Date sent: 2017/10/31 13:56:35
idk why everyone is attacking wones, hes not the one who made the complaint |
Karbs |
Date sent: 2017/10/31 17:06:21
ay you guys stop being keyboard warriors and lets get in a call ck, maybe you can better express yourself there. |
Presinus |
Date sent: 2017/10/31 20:30:27
ay you guys stop being keyboard warriorsThis is coming from the guy who wrote multiple paragraphs, each one taking up my whole screen. |
thomasjones |
Date sent: 2018/06/25 20:34:49
This must hurt |
