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AbdullahSumro
Date sent: 2018/02/15 23:57:12
I got muted because i was talking normally about a subject everyone was too, and somehow i was targeted, i was making valid points and having a nice time debating, it wasnt hate speech it was just talking about ideas and i even asked if anyone was offended no one spoke up. so yeah

https://gyazo.com/0ca1af7669e9031f2224a438e08dc432

https://gyazo.com/5562427557d1b2b2955658288025bc90

https://gyazo.com/e4c12785e1c1790bad4d9a4a2b43009f
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Presinus
Date sent: 2018/02/16 12:52:34
I know someone IRL who takes offence to everything. By the logic of which Sumro was muted, I can invite that person I know to the server, and anyone who uses the chat would be muted. The mute was very unjust, but when confronted, the staff seem closed-minded, stubborn, and deflective.
Every time a staff member says "drop it," they are no better than a cartoon ostrich sticking their head in the ground in the face of stress.
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Shindori
Date sent: 2018/02/16 13:12:40
You got muted for basically nothing again?
They really seem to target you man :/
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armzngunz
Date sent: 2018/02/16 14:07:26
-1
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AbdullahSumro
Date sent: 2018/02/16 19:26:16
So i took some screenshots when talking with these guys after my mute finished, so here is 3 screenshots where i tell Viale that i am offended that hes openly talking about drowning, and he tells me to be offended it PM's, like that is fair right? gotta love double standards am i right? https://gyazo.com/f94ead5b6ef9233dc19fcf846233645e

https://gyazo.com/f5868bbcf8619e418d16f29627333cf7

https://gyazo.com/d6f9024611420e2caa8f80e2d216b238

In regards to that 3rd screenshot i mentioned i was banned for talking about being healthy, i meant to say muted*

but regardless you can see him tell me to be offended in pm's...

Now following this is a series of screenshots i have taken whilst talking to the mod who had muted me, i was curious as to what their motives and reasons were to muting me, and for those who say this isn't a big deal, it's just a 20 min mute don't make a big deal about it, i will make a deal out of it because i can't stand mods who take granted their powers and be unfair, anyways below are the screenshots in regards to the convo i had i will then follow up with my thoughts

https://gyazo.com/0e4182b8767344afd02fd99b0e0140c9

https://gyazo.com/3b76048cca6b9a7f4d371b00bbd58f12

https://gyazo.com/bc2a5389cbbdc66478351ced88d750ea

https://gyazo.com/218cd33b44caa71139284164e13c5f3b

https://gyazo.com/6af4fd7e4436df75f2728f82ba10d498

https://gyazo.com/b8a740e91831c19036305dca93076a24

https://gyazo.com/ae84d737f2dde3329472ca88a5ab6a41

So i know it's a lot and maybe excessive to take that many screenshots but there was reason, i had to take screenshots to show what was the real motive behind the mute, Soccorgoalie25's argument (AKA RANDITOBANDITO) is that i offended a player, when i was having the discussion in question, i said in chat "is anyone offended by this conversation" no one spoke up, no one messaged me and no mods said anything so we carried on talking about how being healthy can be good for governments that hand out free healthcare (NHS) but anyways, i called them out on it and said why didnt you message me someone was offended, i would have stopped, Their response is "Will they have stopped?" like how is that even a valid excuse, thats straight controversial and personal to a point, i then said i would have stopped if someone would have said someone was offended i then mentioned again he could have messaged me, he then states "he could have" so he ACKNOWLEDGES the fact that he could have messaged me but they didnt. So i'll leave this here and i have many valid points and back up views to back this up, i won't stand for abusive mods, i come back after such a long break and this is how i get treated, it's very fustrating that it seems people have it out for me, i'm just trying to enjoy the server

Thank you for listening
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alpacafarm
Date sent: 2018/02/16 19:32:24
+1 this is bullshit and randito is a hoe, probably the one who is offended because he sits on his computer all day except while he is working his job at mcdonalds
also what rule did he break? if someone is offended, that is too bad. i remember someone built some nazi planes, and if someone is offended by that, does that mean his planes will be destroyed? no.
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AbdullahSumro
Date sent: 2018/02/16 19:39:03
Also following that alpaca, notice what Viale says in this screenshot https://gyazo.com/d6f9024611420e2caa8f80e2d216b238

BE OFFENDED IN PM'S
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Kynesgrove
Date sent: 2018/02/16 20:05:29
-1

Not everyone wants to confront someone who is expressing something that unsettles or upsets them, in which case they will contact someone in authority who can address the matter.

People come to the server to have fun and enjoy themselves, seeing as it is first and foremost a game. When there is a discussion being held that makes people uncomfortable, it takes away from that fun environment. Said discussion can easily be taken elsewhere - and as suggested by admin - to PMs.
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AbdullahSumro
Date sent: 2018/02/16 20:56:06
Hello Kynesgrove, if you paid any attention to my post you would have seen that i understand that and the correct course of action would be this

Offended person who doesnt want to show theyre offended openly tells someone in authority

then that person in authority mentions the offender that they are indeed offending people

the offender then stops or gets punish

in this scenario i was not told of anyone being offended, also Viale never said to take the discussion in pm's he told me to take me being offended to pm's which is hypocritical of the current situation. please read next time you -1 or +1 :) if you can't read properly i suggest you don't get involved
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Presinus
Date sent: 2018/02/16 21:35:48
1 An open discussion is not possible in PMs, as only 2 people can PM at once, not a group.
2 "People come to the server to have fun and enjoy themselves." I and several others enjoy sharing and recieving opinions in such conversation. Does our enjoyment not matter?
3 After shutting down the supposedly "sensitive topic," Viale began to make jokes about drowning. I clearly stated that some old friends of mine drowned and I'd rather the conversation not be so crude, but my request was immediately shut down by staff and players who either wish to spite me, or players who have a taste for sucking off the staff team. Harsh case of double standards in my eyes.
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Kynesgrove
Date sent: 2018/02/16 21:59:06
So I think what this boils down to, really, is:

Is the server chat an appropriate place to have such discussions?

Yes, you may enjoy discussing current events, personal political or religious opinions - and you are free to do so - but is it an appropriate venue? Surely you can satisfy your need to debate and discuss these topics elsewhere, say Reddit? You could even do it here, within the forums, which enables you to still chat with people on the server, but not everyone online is subjected to the conversation.

I will emphasize that this applies not only to users, but moderators and admin as well.


This is, however, simply my impartial opinion.
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AbdullahSumro
Date sent: 2018/02/16 22:04:12
We are diverting from the issue at hand which is this complaint which has not been reviewd properly by admins as of yet,

however that argument is sort of bad, people message on mc because we play the game while conversing, i think discussions like that should be open and should start by saying is anyone offended if i talk about "said subject" which is what i did however was still punished? its just abusive mods and stuff which is why mush is dead
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loki570023
Date sent: 2018/02/17 03:59:03
This post is utterly ridiculous. He isnt required to tell you that someone is offended, because most people then immediately want to know who it was so they can "talk to them" And wind up causing more trouble. You were muted because he tried to ask you to stop. You ignored staff asking you to stop, so he muted you. If staff asks you to stop, then you s t o p.
its not hard.
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alpacafarm
Date sent: 2018/02/17 04:32:04
are you fucking serious? he didnt break any rules so why should he be punished for it? i wouldn't stop either, but everything that the staff did was absolute bullshit!
why should he have to stop. if someone is offended that is too fucking bad, its not anyone elses problem besides that persons. if they are so offended, /ignore, turning off the chat, and leaving the fucking server are all options. this is exactly why people are shitting on mush.
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Randal
Date sent: 2018/02/17 04:32:58
So basically they were talking about 'fat' people and a player messaged me saying they were hurt by what was being said. Under no circumstances did i have to say that someone was offended when deciding to stop the conversation and mute abdullah for completely disregarding it and continuing. Like Loki said, I'm not required nor is any staff required to tell you that someone was offended, most of the time people will ask who was offended and wind up causing more trouble.
Next time please try to listen to staff.

Thank you in advance,
-Randal
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alpacafarm
Date sent: 2018/02/17 04:47:15
boohoo, BITCH! that is fucking bullshit, fuck that bitch bitch
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loki570023
Date sent: 2018/02/17 05:30:06
For those who are confused about why exactly Abdu was muted, as he conveniently left out the comment that started it.

[23:46:01] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> what do you think about fat people
[23:46:05] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Cockatrice <[Citizen] ~TIO> hehe ha thanks :p
[23:46:21] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: *Wolfwind <[Mod] ~iiiRanditoBanditoiii> depends upon their personality, not weight
[23:46:22] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Cockatrice <[Citizen] ~TIO> Abdh you were here like 4 years ago right?
[23:46:41] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: *Frostbite <[Donator]+ ~GhostPresinus> Their weight shows many things about their personality
[23:46:45] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> no like what do you think about them being fat
[23:46:49] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> not being mean
[23:46:50] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **HeckYes <[Citizen] ~heather> howdy
[23:46:53] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> like do you think
[23:47:08] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> they should go gym and eat healthy and not use depression or sadness as an excuse
[23:47:20] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: *Frostbite <[Donator]+ ~GhostPresinus> ^
[23:47:27] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: *Wolfwind <[Mod] ~iiiRanditoBanditoiii> well
[23:47:32] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> like fair enough you're fat
[23:47:32] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: *Wolfwind <[Mod] ~iiiRanditoBanditoiii> what if its their body type
[23:47:34] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **HeckYes <[Citizen] ~heather> y is my faction an enemy to dragons y do u hate me :(
[23:47:40] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> pls do something about it
[23:47:43] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> i hate everyone heatherwing
[23:47:46] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> except Presinus
[23:47:51] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **HeckYes <[Citizen] ~heather> fair enough ppl suck
[23:48:04] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: *Wolfwind <[Mod] ~iiiRanditoBanditoiii> and for their body type they are healthy and a perfect weight
[23:48:04] [Server thread/INFO]: heatherwing fell from a high place
[23:48:12] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> when i say fat
[23:48:16] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> that means fat

Ive left the log there since thats about where his screenshots begin.
For those who want the short version, Essentially he asked randomly for no reason what everyone thought of fat people, after which he proclaimed they should just go to the gym and eat healthy, instead of using sadness and depression as an excuse. Seems pretty insensitive and rude to me. And no wonder they didnt want to speak up publicly about being offended, Abdu seems to be giving the impression here that he doesnt like fat people on the basis that he doesnt understand why they dont just "stop" being fat.

So yes alpaca, the mute randal gave was entirely justified. He didnt listen when asked to stop, and instead continued on. When staff ask you to stop something, you stop. If you have a concern about it, then dont drag it out in the public chat, come to another staff member. If asked to stop by staff, you stop. Its simple. Its not hard.

btw alpaca, a 10 word comment in which only 4 of those words arent profanities does not an effective argument make.
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alpacafarm
Date sent: 2018/02/17 17:08:16
OH MY BAD! DID I OFFEND YOU? IM SORRY FOR CUSSING ON YOUR CHRISTIAN MINECRAFT SEVER FORUM!!!!
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alpacafarm
Date sent: 2018/02/17 17:09:19
This whole situation is ass, mush is not what it used to be.
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AbdullahSumro
Date sent: 2018/02/17 17:21:13
Loki, i mentioned that if anyone has a problem with it they can speak up, i wasnt being rude it was a discussion, a public one in fact, i do not hate fat people, i hate the fact fat people use excuses to not excersize, im not saying that people don't have excuses, like when people say theyre lazy, then stop being lazy and claiming benefits for not working because people wont hire you because you're fat, those are the people i hate, where they use fat as a medical condition and claims money for it, its bullshit, so thats cleared up that allegation from loki which is utter bullshit no offence.

The mute randal gave was not justified at all, i ASKED if anyone was offended, no one spoke, i didnt even get messaged by randal, which later he admittied, he could have done which is in the above screenshots, this is a lost battle, i have the higher ground anakin!, but yeah he should have messaged me, i even asked why i should stop, which got no reply, ALSO if you can read you can see randito bandito conversing in the matter as well, BECAUSE IT'S A DISCUSSION jesusssss, also are we just going to ignore the fact that Viale told me to "Be offended in Pm's" ok m8 thats just quality that there are double standards right? and loki if you read you can clearly see that ive mentioned multiple times that the Said offended person didnt have to speak publicly, he told randito, fair enough then randito should have notified me, i asked publicly if anyone was offended and was not told so, so i carried on because it was fine, also if someone asks me to stop something that i think is fine, ill ask them why, which he then did not satisfy with an answer, you cant just tell people stop with no context, and then mute them, That's abuse.
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AbdullahSumro
Date sent: 2018/02/17 17:24:07
Also can we stick to the subject, the complaint is about RanditoBandito and Viale, if they could both be addressed, that would be great. i also appreciate the responses by the staff, shows that this is actually getting looked into, i'm not mad for the record, i just want something done about this. please be rational people. that includes you too alpaca.
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AbdullahSumro
Date sent: 2018/02/17 17:26:42
Also assuming that i would ask who was offended is completely hypothetical and should not even be taken into consideration, thats ridiculous, are you telepathic, can you read my mind? for crying out loud, im rational i would have said fair enough and stopped. not hard mate.
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AbdullahSumro
Date sent: 2018/02/17 17:31:44
https://gyazo.com/d4ce39deea7860fbcfb87bbe49ae3c72

ALSO WHERE DOES IT SAY I HAVE TO STOP WHEN TOLD
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Viale
Date sent: 2018/02/18 01:49:58
I'll clear up your complaint about me.
I did tell you to take your discussion into PMs a fair amount of times. You provide that evidence in your screenshots already. (https://gyazo.com/d6f9024611420e2caa8f80e2d216b238)
And logs from the same time frame,
[19:18:53] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] **Insomnia <[Mod] ~Viale> Now, take it to PMs.
[19:20:27] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] **Insomnia <[Mod] ~Viale> This is your final warning, you have ./msg
I did tell you to "be offended in PMs" since you continued to state you were offended over the topic after I told you to take the discussion elsewhere.
Along with your complaint about me joking about drowning, I did not tell you to be offended elsewhere about that. I dropped the discussion, and assumed the topic was over with and was not blanking you.
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AbdullahSumro
Date sent: 2018/02/18 02:03:16
I could reply to that by saying valid points again, but i've decided to drop this, this is NOT an apology, it's simply realising that there is a "Hidden rule" where players must abide by what staff tell them no matter what it is, and THAT is bullshit imo, so i will be taking this up with Loki or whoever is the owner, i will no longer be talking about this, however if it is brought up i will discuss it.
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Miss_Awesome_2
Date sent: 2018/02/18 03:01:50
Another reason why mush has had barely any players lately. The staff have no logic or common sense.
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armzngunz
Date sent: 2018/02/18 15:48:31
Abdullah, do you realise that saying "Fat people use sadness and depression as an excuse to be fat" is the same as saying "Arab people use religion as an excuse to rape and blow themselves up"?
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armzngunz
Date sent: 2018/02/18 15:50:14
And @alpacafarm, have you forgotten that Rule 3 is a thing?
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AbdullahSumro
Date sent: 2018/02/18 20:42:18
Armz, it's muslims btw not just arabs, (Im not arab btw if that was "shots fired") and yeah i also agree with that statement, they use their religion to do that stuff and think its okay because of the brainwash from religion, soooooo i dont get your point, thats valid too :P
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thomasjones
Date sent: 2018/02/18 22:20:29
"Arab people use religion as an excuse to rape and blow themselves up"?
That is exactly what ISIS do.
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loki570023
Date sent: 2018/02/18 23:13:06
But is it an accurate representation of all muslims? no.
Armz point is that it is presumptuous and ignorant and offensive to use that as a representation of why all fat people are fat. And for those that stress eat when they are depressed, is a legitimate problem that is hard for them to control, not just an excuse to be lazy.
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AbdullahSumro
Date sent: 2018/02/18 23:42:50
I did say during the discussion, fair enough if you have something that stops you physically working out, or eating healthy for some reason, that would be cruel to force someone with a disability to work out, but im talking about literally just fat people, them ones who are just lazy, "depressed" or stressed, like just eat healthy and workout, its a huge problem that costs healthcare a fuck ton of money, people claim benefits because they dont get hired because of their looks, thats tax payers money being used on fat lazy people, those are the people the discussion is about, Please read the discussion in full before siding or making an opinion, thank you :).
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armzngunz
Date sent: 2018/02/19 04:50:18
You aren't arabic? Your name looks arabic, so you must be arabic, and since you ARE arabic, you also use religion as an excuse to blow yourself up!

See what I did there? Generalisation, and just assuming who you are without doing any research.
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wones9
Date sent: 2018/02/19 18:40:55
this is why there is 3 people on right now
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wones9
Date sent: 2018/02/19 18:42:18
loki's chat logs made it clear that abdu was having a peaceful conversation
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AbdullahSumro
Date sent: 2018/02/19 18:54:29
well armz it was a public discussion, my points were valid and its a fact that healthcare money is wasted on people who could easily sort themselves out, i dont really get your point either, im talking about unhealthy lazy fat people, who ARE fat, by following the logic of your "point" i would be calling skinny people fat? lmao please, my points are filled with facts and knowledge about the disucssion wheras yours is filled with randomness and ego? lol, and yeah wones, a lot of people feel the same
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thisisoverlord
Date sent: 2018/02/19 22:57:30
Oh come on, really, this guy has spent years on this server being a wum and a troll, we all know why he bought it up, the reason being he wanted to get a kick out of it, when he got warned he started to concern troll, basically "Whut about ma freedums" bullshit, fully deserved the mute, but also everyone else needs to learn to:

Not Feed the Troll.

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AbdullahSumro
Date sent: 2018/02/20 10:47:58
You got the wrong idea m8, i've been on this server for years and constantly treated like this, which is the reason i hate it when it happens which is why i fight.
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armzngunz
Date sent: 2018/02/20 13:09:10
"well armz it was a public discussion" - A public discussion is not a valid argument, if someone is throwing around "Hitler was right", it wouldn't make it better because it's public.

"my points were valid and its a fact that healthcare money is wasted on people who could easily sort themselves out" - Provide sources.

" i dont really get your point either, im talking about unhealthy lazy fat people, who ARE fat, by following the logic of your "point" i would be calling skinny people fat?" - In the screenshots and logs, you said fat people, you never specified any types of fat people, nor did you specify how much a person has to weigh before being put in your category. Is every lazy person fat? Is every unhealthy fat person lazy?

"facts and knowledge" - Again, no. Full of generalisations, stereotypes and what you claim to be fact.

"randomness and ego" - Ok, so you're trolling, then GG. Either that or you've just sunk very low, so much for what you claim to be a public civilized discussion.

I also agree with thisisoverlord.
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Shindori
Date sent: 2018/02/20 14:10:26
Here are some sources armz:

https://stateofobesity.org/physical-inactivity/
https://stateofobesity.org/healthcare-costs-obesity/
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AbdullahSumro
Date sent: 2018/02/20 15:34:36
Thank you shin, it's all facts armz, and going to your "hitler was right" thing, it's completely different anyone can agree, you're taking it out of context, and when its a public discussion i dont really talk like im in an argument, i talk relaxed i didnt feel the need to specify exactly what sort of fat people i was talking about? lmfao i asked if anyone was offended, no one said so and so i carried on, and yes that was a public and civilised discussion, talking about fat people is one thing, however talking about how they affect the nations economy is another, armz stop you've already lost, let it go buddy xD 2 ez you cant just quote what i say and then follow it up with a vague statement with rhetorical questions that take things out of context, lel you're a big teddy bear <3
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armzngunz
Date sent: 2018/02/20 16:40:44
No, it's not completely different. The thing discussed is different, but that's not my point, my point was that the fact that your discussion was in public doesn't matter. Saying "uuh well it was public" isn't a good excuse, ever. I also don't care how you talk, that's just another bad excuse from your side.

And again, no one told you directly they were offended, but you were punished/told off by staff on their behalf, and still continued, so another bad excuse.

And no, it was not a civilized discussion, neither is this one, as you've resorted to Ad hominem, going against me rather than arguing your side properly, aswell as calling fat people lazy.

And yeah, sure discussing how obesity effects the economy is one thing, but it can't be properly discussed if the basis for your argument is wrong.
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AbdullahSumro
Date sent: 2018/02/20 17:17:39
how is the basis of my argument wrong, its 100% true and there are facts it effects the economy horribly, and you're really bad at arguing most your points don't make sense, the whole reason this argument was made because i was muted without anyone giving me a reason or anything like that, it was a perfectly normal conversation where no one was offended to my knowledge at that time and was given no fair reason as to why i was muted this is getting tiring, it's like arguing with a 2 year old
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loki570023
Date sent: 2018/02/20 19:05:00
"I did say during the discussion, fair enough if you have something that stops you physically working out, or eating healthy for some reason, that would be cruel to force someone with a disability to work out,....."

Actually, no, no you didnt. No where in the conversation did you say that. The closest you got to was "fair enough ur fat" which in no way makes that point. Additionally, saying people are lazy because they dont get hired because of their looks etc etc is again, a generalization as armz said, not an accurate representation of all of them. Please think through the entire topic of discussion for making an opinion thank you :)

Also, no where did you ask if anyone was offended. Not once. You said at the beginning "not being mean" and at one point said "why, no one is offended"
You ASSUMED that no one way, but nowhere did you actually ask.
Please read through your own conversation before stating an argument, thanks
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AbdullahSumro
Date sent: 2018/02/20 19:23:31
Lmao when im talking about fat people who dont get hired because theyre fat, im talking about the ones who complain about that exact situation and claim benefits about it, i know way more about this subject than you and can discuss it until the valid point is admitted so i know the entire topic thanks very much :) i did also ask if anyone was offended, scan through everything, i 100% did say it. thanks ya big ol fuzz ball :)))
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armzngunz
Date sent: 2018/02/20 19:33:47
Lmao, whos posts are filled with randomness and ego? You're still not admitting you did anything wrong, aswell as claiming everything you say is 100% fact and even lying. GG.
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loki570023
Date sent: 2018/02/20 20:08:34
Where did you ask? show me. I looked thru the entire log file, the only thing you were really talking about before the logs i posted was tio's fac name and "disabled dragons"
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Shindori
Date sent: 2018/02/20 22:18:20
This is really going off topic now though;

Isn't the main problem here that Randal got messaged by someone who was offended about the public discussion and immediately muted Abdullah without noticing him someone was offended? Did the offended dude who sent a pm to Randal even say something to Abdullah in the first place?

I also have yet to see a chat log where someone tells him to actually stop discussing, or I must have missed something. Until I have seen that I'm with Abdullah on this whole thing.
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loki570023
Date sent: 2018/02/20 23:16:00
Randal asked him to stop more than once. As did vi, who asked him to take it into PM's.
[23:48:27] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: *Wolfwind <[Mod] ~iiiRanditoBanditoiii> abdullah
[23:48:32] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: *Wolfwind <[Mod] ~iiiRanditoBanditoiii> just stop

*Wolfwind <[Mod] ~iiiRanditoBanditoiii> yall shush
[23:49:08] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: Wolfwind <[Citizen]+ ~Ross> unhealthy is when it puts your life at risk
[23:49:08] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> im saying people should have excuses
[23:49:09] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> why?
[23:49:15] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> its a public discussion about unhealthiness
[23:49:19] [Server thread/INFO]: The_Huntah issued server command: /f home
[23:49:19] [Server thread/INFO]: [PLAYER_COMMAND] The_Huntah: /f home
[23:49:19] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: *Wolfwind <[Mod] ~iiiRanditoBanditoiii> or imma start handing out mutes because this conversation is ending here

he threatened mute as abdullah kept going instead of listening. Abdullah makes this all sound like it was randal and only randal who screwed up here, but Abdullah could have simply listened to randal, stopped talking about it, and if he wanted to know why so bad he could then message randal politely asking why, at which point randal explains.

But at this point, regardless of who screwed up where, a short mute for not listening when asked to stop discussing something is almost certainly not worth a complaint this long. At this point this is a waste of time, for myself, for the other staff, for those still participating in the argument, and for abdullah himself. Make whatever arguments you guys want, im done here. see you all on the server! :D
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alpacafarm
Date sent: 2018/02/21 04:43:51
it was only randal that screwed up here lol
abdullah did nothing wrong
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Presinus
Date sent: 2018/02/21 05:23:17
So if someone thought Hitler was in the right, will you put your harsh bias before them and stop them from speaking their opinion? Everyone believes in something, and nobody's belief is any more or less true than others. Nobody can prove theirown above others, as proof is a matter of bias.
Imagine 99% of players believe Hitler was wrong, 1 believes he's right. You shut down the one who thinks Hitler is right.
Imagine 99% of players are Catholic, 1 is Taoist. Are you gonna shut down the Taoist?
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thisisoverlord
Date sent: 2018/02/21 14:08:12
How naive are you people?

Do you really even think that he cares about this issue? The only reason he bought it up was to generate this exact kind of conversation where he gets to eat popcorn and watch as the users moan at the staff. You guys really don't get it do you? He doesn't give a damn about obesity he just wants to troll and all you are doing is feeding the troll. The whole reason he brought it up was to cause trouble it's got nothing to do with him having an opinion. You've all been sucked in and he's just eating popcorn watching.

Good Game.

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This thread should be locked.
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AbdullahSumro
Date sent: 2018/02/21 18:21:18
So as soon as loki gets involved and starts to see the valid points i was making he just leaves, lol, so i asked him why as you can clearly see in the logs, i was given no valid answer, and no one was offended, i know this from where u can also see in the chat logs from loki that i had said "why, no one is offended" this was then not addressed by ANYONE in the chat or by randal even saying "yes there are people who are offended" or he could have messaged me that someone was offended, simple as. and this is also acknowledged by randal himself in the screenshots i provided where he says "yes i could have messaged you" and then doesnt say anything afterwards, Also "thisisoverlord" i do care about the issue, i've talked about it in the past with people on the server and am pretty passionate about the issue and how it costs the government a shit ton of money, and i also tackle any argument with facts and truth otherwise its void. So take your conspiracy somewhere else you big ol bucket of doritos :D
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JamesSkullBlood
Moderator
Date sent: 2018/02/21 20:03:21
I tackle my agruments with facts and truth as well.
That is why I like to be in person to see this sort of stuff.
Abdullah you asked me the other day for what I thought about in this situation, I didn't want to give you any thoughts because I didn't know the full on story as I wasn't on there. Yes there is screenshots and stuff but that stuff isn't very reliable for me.
Also let me point this out.
You stated this "i even asked if anyone was offended no one spoke up." but when you NEVER did ask anyone if they was offended or not.
The same day I decided to ask loki to go over the logs once again to make sure he didn't leave anything out and when he got back to me he told me "merely assumed they weren't as no one said anything
so no, he didn't."
So you are being "Truthful" by lying on the fact that you said you asked when you never did even ask if anyone was offended.
I try to speak only the truth and support with facts, but I can't when I am not online to see it otherwise.
With what loki told me I can truthfully say this, AdbullahSumro, You never even asked if anyone was offended, you just jumped straight into it.
Next time you are gonna make a complaint on something support it with legit facts and not made up ones.
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AbdullahSumro
Date sent: 2018/02/22 18:59:23
Okay well i said "why, no one is offended" thats the same thing, lol thats also besides the point and how are screenshots not reliable, but yeah so when i said why, no one is offended, no one mentioned anything about being offended, i could have gotten messaged by randito HE EVEN STATES THIS HIMSELF THAT HE COULD HAVE MESSAGED ME so yeah sort your 10 year old staff out tyvm :)
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armzngunz
Date sent: 2018/02/22 20:59:32
Abdullah grasping at straws lmao

And yes presinus, mush is not an area for nazis to regurgitate their views, they have stormfront for that.
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Presinus
Date sent: 2018/02/22 21:25:59
That isn't at all what I asked.
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armzngunz
Date sent: 2018/02/22 23:11:51
"So if someone thought Hitler was in the right, will you put your harsh bias before them and stop them from speaking their opinion?"

I answered. Regarding your "99%" examples? That wouldn't happen, you'd never see a majority of the playerbase defend Hitler, or be catholic and argue that the one taoist is wrong. If those things happened, I'd rather quit :P
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Presinus
Date sent: 2018/02/23 02:56:25
For one, I said 99% said Hitler was wrong, as in they disbelieve in Hitler's actions. You somehow interpreted the opposite.
For two, you seem to admit to your harsh bias indirectly, but can never say it straight. You do discriminate, but you shame others for doing so.
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armzngunz
Date sent: 2018/02/23 08:17:29
Yeah I read that wrong, sorry.

So you'd just let a nazi talk freely on the server? Because "muh free speech"? Most servers do not allow hate speech, pres.
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Shindori
Date sent: 2018/02/23 10:47:17
But what would you consider "hate speech"?
There are people who say you are a racist simply because you give the movie Black Panther a bad review so I think the term hate speech is completely subjective.

I agree that nazi talk is a form of hate speech as people suffered in the past because of the Nazi's. But then again I don't think that what Abdullah said, that fat people should be able to fix themselves and that it's unhealthy to be fat, is a form of hate speech at all. It's just being realistic and people should stop pampering others saying it's healthy to be fat, because it isn't. Unless you actually have a disorder you can fix yourself.

See that it just depends per person what is considered hate speech?
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armzngunz
Date sent: 2018/02/23 13:32:37
Then common sense comes into the picture, there's a difference between disliking a movie and thinking Hitler and WW2 was good.

Discussing obesity and the effects of obesity isn't bad alone, but abdullah made it bad.
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Shindori
Date sent: 2018/02/23 18:07:35
In what way did he make it bad though?
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AbdullahSumro
Date sent: 2018/02/23 18:43:33
"Abdullah made it bad" w0w sik argument you just agreed saying discussing obesity and the effects of it isnt bad alone but because i say it, its bad, sikkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk 10/10 top marks a+++ w0w congrats brilliant send bobs and vegene Armz you're brain dead all your points are literally in spite of me because of your easily triggered self by me and the fact i st0le ur gurl before lol dont let me tell people about that because you bring your bias into arguments and sidetrack lol <3 love u shin
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armzngunz
Date sent: 2018/02/23 22:21:02
I already explained how he made it bad, read my previous comments.
Also great troll comment abdullah, you reaaaally gave yourself alot more credibility there
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Shindori
Date sent: 2018/02/23 23:55:02
The only thing I get from your comments is that he has made a generalisation of fat people by calling them all lazy, other than that you don't really give any kind of explanation at all why his arguements are bad.. if that's the only reason why you are typing those incoherent paragraphs you could better stop as you are making a fool out of yourself as well :/
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wones9
Date sent: 2018/02/24 01:14:01
didn't he already make a fool of himself when he decided to e date ?
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armzngunz
Date sent: 2018/02/24 08:59:17
Shin yes, that's what I said, which is a very bad thing to base a "civilized" discussion on. He is either a troll or just extremely bad at discussing things. If I started a discussion with "Muslims use religion as an excuse to blow themselves up, who agrees?", and then got punished, would I be in the wrong?

Like you made a fool out of yourself raging over being banned from a block game wones?
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CaptainSpaceSheep
Date sent: 2018/02/24 22:36:07
Yes im sure wones is very mad right now! Im sure he has gone through 20 computer monitors writing that comment because of how MAD he is over a minecraft server!

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Presinus
Date sent: 2018/02/25 03:51:17
No joke, some Muslims do use their religion as an excuse to blow themselves up.
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Shindori
Date sent: 2018/02/25 09:42:52
So just because Abdullah made a mistake by calling all fat people lazy, you disregard that his other arguements are backed up with facts and you just claim them to be false as well? Fat people who decide to take another family meal for themselves at the Burger King instead of actually making more healthy life decisions do cost healthcares a lot of money.

I don't see what's wrong with that statement because it's just being realistic. Sorry if it offends anyone who is actually obese by their own doing but you can't keep sugarcoating everything.
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armzngunz
Date sent: 2018/02/25 13:08:43
Mistake? You think Abdullah didn't do it on purpose? He's basing his entire argument on it.
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Shindori
Date sent: 2018/02/25 13:43:11
I think you are really taking his words out of context now though, if you read through Abdullah's comments on this he never clearly states "ALL fat people are lazy and come with excuses". He states that it's the individuals who can actually fix themselves, just don't do it and are hurting healthcares. Read it back carefully man.
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armzngunz
Date sent: 2018/02/25 20:07:42
No, that's literally what he said. He literally says all fat people should just stop being fat, and asks who agrees with him.

[23:46:01] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> what do you think about fat people
[23:46:05] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Cockatrice <[Citizen] ~TIO> hehe ha thanks :p
[23:46:21] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: *Wolfwind <[Mod] ~iiiRanditoBanditoiii> depends upon their personality, not weight
[23:46:22] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Cockatrice <[Citizen] ~TIO> Abdh you were here like 4 years ago right?
[23:46:41] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: *Frostbite <[Donator]+ ~GhostPresinus> Their weight shows many things about their personality
[23:46:45] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> no like what do you think about them being fat
[23:46:49] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> not being mean
[23:46:50] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **HeckYes <[Citizen] ~heather> howdy
[23:46:53] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> like do you think
[23:47:08] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> they should go gym and eat healthy and not use depression or sadness as an excuse
[23:47:20] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: *Frostbite <[Donator]+ ~GhostPresinus> ^
[23:47:27] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: *Wolfwind <[Mod] ~iiiRanditoBanditoiii> well
[23:47:32] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> like fair enough you're fat
[23:47:32] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: *Wolfwind <[Mod] ~iiiRanditoBanditoiii> what if its their body type
[23:47:34] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **HeckYes <[Citizen] ~heather> y is my faction an enemy to dragons y do u hate me :(
[23:47:40] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> pls do something about it
[23:47:43] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> i hate everyone heatherwing
[23:47:46] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> except Presinus
[23:47:51] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **HeckYes <[Citizen] ~heather> fair enough ppl suck
[23:48:04] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: *Wolfwind <[Mod] ~iiiRanditoBanditoiii> and for their body type they are healthy and a perfect weight
[23:48:04] [Server thread/INFO]: heatherwing fell from a high place
[23:48:12] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> when i say fat
[23:48:16] [Async Chat Thread - #5754/INFO]: **Dragons <[Donator]+ AbdullahSumro> that means fat
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wones9
Date sent: 2018/02/26 00:19:37
armz shut up already u fattie
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armzngunz
Date sent: 2018/02/26 14:34:20
is the redneck salty he got banned from a block game?
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Shindori
Date sent: 2018/02/26 23:51:17
You read those chat logs completely different than I did. After reading one of his comments in this comment section, which I'll quote later, I think he aimed at people who are just lazy and don't have any disorder at all. You lot are really taking his words out of context now.
Here is his actual point, it actually makes what he means in the chat logs more clearly too:

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AbdullahSumro
Date sent: 2018/02/18 23:42:50
I did say during the discussion, fair enough if you have something that stops you physically working out, or eating healthy for some reason, that would be cruel to force someone with a disability to work out, but im talking about literally just fat people, them ones who are just lazy, "depressed" or stressed, like just eat healthy and workout, its a huge problem that costs healthcare a fuck ton of money, people claim benefits because they dont get hired because of their looks, thats tax payers money being used on fat lazy people, those are the people the discussion is about, Please read the discussion in full before siding or making an opinion, thank you :)."

His point is not bad at all, I don't get why you are trying so hard to make Abdullah look bad..
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Presinus
Date sent: 2018/02/27 03:30:47
^
I think that's exactly how it is.
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armzngunz
Date sent: 2018/02/27 04:12:37
I'm not trying to make abdullah look, bad, he did that himself. He said "Fair enough, you're fat", never did he say "fair enough if you have something that stops you physically working out, or eating healthy for some reason" on the server itself.
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Shindori
Date sent: 2018/02/27 22:55:23
Let's first put what he said in those logs in readable sentences because it's easy to just highlight the bad part to make someone look bad like you just did:

"No like what do you think of them being fat? Not being mean but like do you think, they should go gym and eat healthy and not use depression or sadness as an excuse? Like fair enough you're fat, please just do something about it"

Again he is speaking about the ones claiming healthcare benefits and those not doing anything about their condition because they are too lazy.. And if you read this comment section again he corrects himself on the things he said on the server, correcting yourself is allowed and you should not condemn someone for that.
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Shindori
Date sent: 2018/02/27 23:22:39
And how is he making himself look bad if what he said isn't even bad in the first place? You and the other staff members are the only ones complaining that what he said is bad, as if he is spreading hate while he isn't, because either your reading skills are poor or there is some personal bias in the way (I assume it's the first thing).

If you try to look at this whole debate thing logically like I did, you'll see that Abdullah's arguements were a bit lacking at first but he corrected himself as I explained earlier. The only thing you can really say he did wrong is that he did not stop when told to stop but that has nothing to do with his arguements about some fat people costing healthcares money.
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armzngunz
Date sent: 2018/02/28 04:58:14
Again, on the server itself, he never specified that he meant "only some fat people", he keeps saying "they", he never said "some". So yes, it is bad, claiming staff are biased and have poor reading skills (mature claim there) doesn't change that fact.

So ok let's take his "correction" into account, it's that easy? You can just "correct" yourself after saying some shit and then what you originally said doesn't matter? :P
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Shindori
Date sent: 2018/02/28 12:35:04
After he corrected himself you kept comparing what he said to people who say that all muslims who blow themself up hide behind Islam and you kept replying with that mindset, that's why I assume you have poor reading skills because you never took his correction into consideration c:

If you also go by your logic, why do we have a ban appeal section if you should condemn people for what they did?
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armzngunz
Date sent: 2018/02/28 14:36:56
Yes, he was punished in-game for what he said in-game, that's what this discussion is about, I compared it to the muslim thing, because what he said in-game is comparable. Whatever is said on here afterwards doesn't change what happened on the server. He could have corrected himself on the server before being punished, correcting himself on here doesn't change what he said or
what happened.

Ban appeal is different, there you ask for forgiveness or try to prove you did nothing wrong. This is just a complaint where he 1) isn't asking for forgiveness and 2) failed to prove his innocense.
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wones9
Date sent: 2018/02/28 21:04:32
It's ok to be racist to Americans and call them rednecks but god forbid you call someone fat
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Presinus
Date sent: 2018/03/01 04:10:33
American isn't a race.
American isn't a language.
America is a cluster of continents, not a country.
USA is not Southern; Brazil, Argentina, Chile, etc. are all way further South.
Of all countries, USA has the least creative name.
Quit being so patriotic.
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wones9
Date sent: 2018/03/02 22:49:35
https://gyazo.com/d2bfa41fafb849e7367c8d86c361af5c
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Presinus
Date sent: 2018/03/03 03:50:29
You looked up "what is racial and ethnic discrimination" you twit. You remind me of those people who search forever through Google to find the one and only "scientific" article explaining why vaccines really do cause autism, ignoring the 183,241,782 other articles on why they don't cause autism.
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wones9
Date sent: 2018/03/03 15:31:25
Awww mad that you got proven wrong again? Weak little prick you are deleted the post you made about Loki because you got lost again. You just can't stop losing
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Presinus
Date sent: 2018/03/03 23:10:03
Proven wrong about what? You think vaccines cause autism? Is that because you had a lot of vaccines when you were young? Don't worry, your idiocy comes from all that inbreeding, not autism.
The thing deleted by Loki wasn't from losing anything. See, in our non-inbred cultures, people can fight, then sort it out and make up later. The post was old af and should have been dead by now.
On the topic of weak, I tend to refuse taking "the easy way" and make things overcomplicated or inconvenient for myself to demonstrate stength. I'm yet to fall in a hand-to-hand fight, and I highly doubt you are even close to having half my strength.
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wones9
Date sent: 2018/03/04 22:02:12
Vaccines in autism? what the fuck are you talking about? I just called you weak a little prick, which is what you are. You are just making excuses now for deleting it. You couldn't handle the criticism that came from that post because you are soft so you deleted it. And half your strength? You are too scared to even talk to me over a voice chat and now you are trying to convince me you are stronger than me? HAH
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loki570023
Date sent: 2018/03/05 06:36:59
oh man guys look out wones is displaying his dominance again over a minecraft forums that are for a server he got himself banned from, and probably banned from the spite server he joined after.
I m s o s c a r e d

Bruh you guys are literally arguing about physical strength. Over the internet. where you cant uh..prove it? so why does it matter? Seriously ridiculous, displaying just how immature you are. If you wanna argue fine but at least argue over what the thread is actually about. Like seriously someone be the bigger man already and just ignore an argument this utterly stupid.
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CaptainSpaceSheep
Date sent: 2018/03/06 08:43:13
lol
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stojan44
Date sent: 2018/03/08 21:33:25
Pres you should visit those friends of yours. Drown yourself. kek le kek
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Techy
Date sent: 2018/03/09 16:23:04
Although I know I'm a few decades late, I would like to point out that the NHS isn't overwhelmed because of an excess of unhealthy people - it's overwhelmed because it has no money at the moment.

I must say, this situation is quite ridiculous. Although the staff did ask Sumro to stop, there is little to be offended at when someone literally just acknowledges the existence of obesity and its detriment on society.
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galbby5
Date sent: 2018/03/13 22:43:25
Fat people should go to the damn gym
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CaptainSpaceSheep
Date sent: 2018/03/29 20:12:39
if fyou think being fat isnt a problem, you are retarded

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